19-03-2023 06:59 PM
19-03-2023 06:59 PM
03-10-2023 03:11 PM
03-10-2023 03:11 PM
Hi @ClockFace
How are you? Have you had some decent sleep? Have things with your family been addressed? Contact us (sane.org) by any means. we're here for you.
03-10-2023 07:36 PM
03-10-2023 07:36 PM
Hey, sleep is all kinds of messed up sadly, it hasnt been good for ages but I started a new antipsychotic a few days ago and I have been having heaps of trouble sleeping since being on it. Sleeping regularly and consistantly. Last night I managed 2 hours, I had a nap during the day of another couple hours. I do think I have a chance of getting a decent sleep tonight because I have really hit a wall, Im so knackered. But, Im as likely to take my next dose and not be able to sleep. Hopefully that settles over the next little while and I get back into a normal sleeping pattern again.
With the family, its difficult. Ive spent a fair amount of time thinking and writing about it. Ive talked to my SANE councillor as well. Ive tried to remain as objective as possible, Im not really apart of the family as it is anymore. I moved out of home for a bit over a decade and I worked, ran a business and I was pretty heavily involved in a church (Im not involved in anything religious anymore), I was in senior leadership before I left. I lived quite a distance from my family and I didnt spend a lot of time with them as a result. During this time, the family dynamic had dramatically changed as had I. I wasnt willing to be forced to bow to my Mums wishes all the time. Much is very much a control freak and I just dont deal with that anymore, I wouldnt conform to the new dynamic. So, now days I look at stuff almost as an outsider looking in. Ive taken to spending atleast an hour or so with Mum each day and we just talk about all sorts. When we do talk though, unlike my sister and Dad, Im pretty honest and direct. I will tell her how I feel about things, even if it will upset her, I dont do it to upset her but Im also not going to shy away from telling Mum that I feel like she abandoned me in favor of my sister. My sister has had injuries, illnesses and some very trumatic events in her life. Mum regardless of what I was going through, was by my sisters side through those things but even inbetween them. Mum has said that she expected my Dad to be there for me while she looked after my sister but I challenged this. Dad has never been the one to be there for any of us, as a father he was a provider and stood as spiritual leader within the house and to an extent the church we went to growing up. Providing emotional support etc was the realm of my Mum. So when Mum says she left me to Dad, I call her out and say that she would know I would not get the support I needed from him. So I feel she abandoned me, she left me with someone who wasnt there and wouldnt be, in favor of smothering my sister with her time, support etc. This is effectively how things continue to be even though I have pointed it out, my Mum agrees with me, everything Im going through and that my sister has stolen tens of thousands of dollars from her and Dad. In my Mums eyes, my sister cant do anything that will stop her overwhelmingly being there for her, having her back. But the same, she wont do for me. That said, I have said to dad that I think Mum is going to far and that she is doing a disservice to my sister. When my parents pass away, she will be left to handle life on her own, she will be forced to accept responcibility for her actions or inactions. She wont have the skills or experience to deal with life on her own and Im not well enough to be that unconditional support and financial reserve for when she has bought too many handbags and cant afford her medical care.
Talking to Mum isnt all telling her how what she did or didnt do when I was growing up messed me up or made me who I am. We talk about all sorts of things, I talk about my thoughts and opinions, my philosophies, like the one where I dont regret who I am. This doesnt mean I love everything that has happened to me or even everything about who I am now. It means, I accept all those things, and I make the concious decision to not regret who those events and experiences have made me. This then allows me to better view my life, view who and why I am who I am and to make decisions as to what I want to improve upon, knowing why I am the way I am helps identify what I need to address to allow me to make the improvements I want to achieve.
Dad and I have been talking as well and its much the same, just different versions of the same stories.
So, things have improved I think, I took that step forward and the dynamic has changed. Its not all peaches and cream and Id rather not live here, but I cant afford to move out, even if I worked fulltime again, I didnt smoke, I lived the most frugal life, my basic medical costs, on top of normal life costs, I just couldnt do it.
Hows things with you? Are you feeling better?
04-10-2023 08:55 AM
04-10-2023 08:55 AM
Hi @ClockFace
Hope you had a decent sleep, and that things settle back into a relative good routine. I went through a period where sleep was minimal and it's just so hard to function, with no sleep.
I'm pleased to hear you are in touch with a SANE counsellor. I get very little emotional support from my Dad who is a spiritual leader in our lives. It hurts and hard to manage his avoidance. I'm glad to hear you advocating for yourself where you can, it's not an easy thing to do. It sounds like a tough situation. Just want you to know we're glad you're here and you are important.
I am fully recovered from COVID-19 just an occasional dry cough. Thank you for your concern.
04-10-2023 10:26 AM
04-10-2023 10:26 AM
Glad to hear you've recovered, its a really unpleasant illness.
Growing up Dad was very useless when it came to anything emotional and mental illness stuff. Mum suffered from depression really badly and he just had no idea. She ended up in a facility for 19 weeks when I was in year 7. We kids were left to deal with her and her problems as often as not. I remember making my lunch, with my sister who was a couple grades lower and walking to school, leaving Mum crying on the couch and getting home after school and she was still laying on the couch crying. Even with her like that, he worked and did as much work as he could, when he came home he did church stuff and worked around the house, almost like nothing was happening. I dont remember ever, even after she went to the facility, Dad sat down and explained what was going on to us kids. Probably because he didnt know or understand.
That said, over the years he has gotten better at dealing with mental illness with all of us, to an extent. He still doesnt understand, it still makes no sense to him but he tries. He will sit and listen to us, its on his terms though, when he feels like it, not neccessarily when its needed, certainly not in the heat of an episode/issue. He still doesnt believe it should get in the way of work, he doesnt understand how we cant put it aside until after work or on the weekend. I also think that if your wife has depression for all these years, your son has a brief psychotic episode and you sat with him in ER and saw how he was after that, the near catatonic state he was in and your daughter attempts to commit suicide twice after years of selfharming. Not to mention you have twice had episodes that rendered you incapacitated for long periods and you're scared that if you have another that will be the end, you wont come back from it. With all that, you would think he would learn about mental health, he would make himself understand and appreciate it.
Sadly I do think the whole religion/spiritual leader thing has a considerable impact on peoples perception and enforces a way of thinking about mental health. We were brought up pentecostal, so very much a spiritual focused christian belief system. The perception of mental health was (when I was young at least) still stuck in the whole demonic influence side of things. I think Dad still has this view, I think that there is an element for him that my/their whole crappy situation is demonic influence and that we have actually invited that in. Personally, its not something I buy into. I have no idea if the devil, demons, angels and God exist, I no longer know what I believe in that respect, but I dont believe that I or my family are of any significance that would justify putting any effort into destroying me and my family. I just think shit happens and coincidentally shit has happened to each of us.
Its really hard when your family members cant come to the party and provide support, any kind of support for your mental health and/or general health issues. They are the people who you should be able to count on without question. Even if it conflicts with their beliefs they should still be there for you while you go through that experience. Its even harder for me when their beliefs teach about mercy, love and compassion and they cant show that for you and your situation but they can give it to someone who is not part of the family. Dad has a guy he knows from work before he retired. He has drug and alcohol addiction issues. He cant be trusted with his medication so he has to go to the chemist each day for his daily medications. My Dad will lend him money, will talk with him about his issues, to an extent he provides him with support that he has never shown me. When Ive had drug and alcohol issues my dad has shown nothing but dissappointment and contempt for me. When I went through alcohol addiction issues a couple years ago, he basically left it to my sister to deal with, down to appointments and treatment. Ive been sober 2 years on the 1st of next month and that is largely down to my sister supporting me.
04-10-2023 10:55 AM
04-10-2023 10:55 AM
Well done for exploring your story with me, I resonate with it and sadly it is a common condition family members can be subjected to under the religious banner. I think there needs to be a space to address religious trauma. There may be some podcasts available addressing this issue. Congratulations on your upcoming sober milestone ✨️ that is so good.
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