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Re: Never being in a relationship

@TheRenegade345 getting more shy and introverted is the change I'm talking about. I'm just speculating here but, does it mean you're less likely to talk about your special interests? Or that you might make a joke but decide not to, in case it is inappropriate? All those little things count, because they're pieces of you that are remaining hidden. 

 

I would also caution against spending too much time comparing your circumstances to anyone else. Yes, it is REALLY disheartening and crappy to see other men put in less effort and seem to be more successful. But in my experience, spending so much energy feeling angry and resentful towards others for their success in area in which we're struggling only serves to leave us utterly miserable, defeated, and exhausted. And that'll be felt by the people we're trying to connect with too. 

 

The other (crappy) factor is that sometimes... it's a numbers game. Which, for someone who has already been playing said game, might be entirely frustrating for you to hear! But it might be the case where like... let's say you're a good match for about 1 in 1000 people. These women who seem to go for other guys might be a good match for 1 in 100 people. And that's not because you're unappealing or doing anything wrong, it just means there might be fewer people out there in the world who actually get you. It's what I've found anyway, it's quite a rare thing for me allow anyone to get close because I find a lot of people just... exhausting to be around. 

 

Which leads me to another thought... maybe part of the problem you're having is what I am gonna refer to as 'breaking into community'. Not like a burglar 😝 But like, I'm just thinking about when I first moved out of home and was living in Sydney for uni. I chose Sydney because I heard it was THE hot spot for queer community (it's actually Melbourne, lol). Yet even after living there for 3 years, I still hadn't made ANY queer friends. I felt so isolated, misunderstood, and alone. And I really tried ya know? I was always going to queer bars and events and stuff, but I couldn't even make any friends, let alone forge any romantic connections. Cos it felt like the community was already so well-established; everyone had their cliques, their groups and group chats, and I always felt like someone locked outside in the cold, watching everyone else celebrate next to the fire inside. 

 

I think that's also kinda what @Ru-bee was encouraging - finding community and building a network of friendships is a really good way to start finding like-minded people... who might just end up introducing you to someone with whom you find a really good connection. 

Re: Never being in a relationship

@Jynx 

 

I do believe that there have been times where I haven't been all in on using my sense of humour. I have rectified that now and will go for it rather than wait. The one thing I have never backed down on is music, I am always keen to talk about my music but you would be surprised over the lack of interest in it. I heard someone say that due to guitar music not being as popular as it used to be that me playing guitar really isn't that attractive anymore.

 

I have heard it is a numbers game but I dont see a lot of women anyway so based on the numbers I am going through, logically it will never happen.

 

I am trying to find my community but it has been soul destroying this year:

 

  • I started a few groups (table tennis, music, peer group) that went nowhere and I was down a bit of money in the process.
  • I joined a few groups (beyblades and gaming) but it felt too cliquey and I felt hopelessly out of my depth).
  • I am trying to get into volunteering (hopefully start next weekend)
  • Tried to find some history groups but there aren't any. Only place would be to just go to a museum and hope someone just walks through the door on the same day and time as me.

I feel very disheartened because I am trying to find things to do and nothing works out. Then people suggest thats what you should do and I feel like I am failing somehow.

Re: Never being in a relationship

@Jynx @Ru-bee 

 

This is where I feel really bad sometimes because I dont want you both to think I am shutting you down. I am not, I am just trying to express that I have been trying all these things for years and have gotten nowhere.

 

Unless it is something specific, like a specific history group that meets every second weekend, assume I have tried it. Any general advice, I can assure you I have tried it and nothing has come of it. That's why I get so angry and resentful because I am genuinely trying and I am getting nothing out of life.

 

My life is so unsatisfying and thats why I feel like maybe a relationship is not in my future. I still remember the words my therapist said to me years ago:

 

"You are just going to have to accept that you will die alone and no one will ever love you".

Re: Never being in a relationship


@TheRenegade345 wrote:

I still remember the words my therapist said to me years ago:

 

"You are just going to have to accept that you will die alone and no one will ever love you".


Okay first of all, I am REALLY SORRY this was said to you. Especially the second part. That's despicable treatment of a fellow human being, let alone from a mental health professional. That kind of thing is bound to have had lasting impacts on your psyche. And unfortunately our beliefs often end up manifesting - i.e. the narratives we hold in our minds shape our reality. If there's even a part of you that believes this therapist was right, it's going to make it that much harder to actually make a connection. 

 

To put it bluntly, it's likely that if you believe no one will ever love you, then unconsciously, you will make it impossible for anyone to break through that belief. That's how it was for me. Kinda like this: 

 

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(Not saying you hate yourself or that this is directly applicable to your situation; moreso the fact that our self-concept can interfere with our ability to be open to others' attempts to connect with us, because it is in direct opposition to our unconscious beliefs). 

 

I gotta head off, chat to you next time 😉

Re: Never being in a relationship

@Jynx 

 

I dont want to sound blunt but if you have been working on yourself for over 10 years, have seen no improvement in your romantic life (yet others have), and you still keep going through these cycles, how else am I meant to feel? I have tried backing away completely and just doing my own thing and that worked for a while in that I was just doing what I wanted to do, it didn't change my romantic life at all.

 

Even you said that you started to work on yourself, you noticed changes. So what am I doing wrong? 

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@Jynx That's just made me feel even worse and more hopeless than I have ever felt. I AM TRYING SO HARD AND NO UNDERSTANDS ME OR GETS ME. EVERYTHING I SAY OR DO IS THE WRONG THING I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF BEING INVALIDATED AND TOLD THAT WHAT I AM FEELING IS WRONG.

 

HOW ELSE AM I MEANT TO FEEL?!?!?!

Re: Never being in a relationship

Hey mate @TheRenegade345 ,

 

Hearing you. 

 

What do you think will be helpful in this moment?

Re: Never being in a relationship

@tyme 

 

I honestly dont know anymore. I really dont know, I feel like coming on here will make me feel less alone and not stuck with my thoughts. I do want some kind of practical solution to help me in the real world.

 

The phrase "work on yourself" or other ones that are semi related just feel like vapid platitudes and cliches. I have been working on myself for years and will continue to do so.

 

My whole life has just been surviving. I had to survive school because I struggled to make friends there, I had to survive uni because I struggled to make friends there, I had to survive all the various parties and social events I go to because no one cares about me or bothers to notice me, I have had to survive at work because I only have enough energy to do my job and barely any for anything else.

 

I have also had to compensate for the fact that for most of my life I have had a pragmatic language deficit, undiagnosed ADHD, an inability to pick up social cues, auditory and visual processing issues, and selective mutism.

 

And yet I keep hearing the phrase "just keep working on yourself", "if you think you will never be in a relationship then it won't happen".

 

Can people please first acknowledge all the work I have put into myself. How much harder do I have to work? Any harder and I will put myself into an early grave. I do not want to hear it anymore. I feel so deflated because of all of the above, but no I am doing everything wrong and I shouldn't feel how I feel because it is putting people off you. Well, I dont know how else to feel.

Re: Never being in a relationship

I hear your struggles @TheRenegade345 I honestly do. 

 

It sounds so hard to be 'trapped'. 

 

I hear how much you have been trying. I've been in that place of just not fitting in. Relationships were just not my thing. 

 

However, I hear how much you value them, and I don't want to discredit that. 

 

I hope you find a way through. 

Re: Never being in a relationship

@tyme 

 

well there is only one way out of feeling trapped.