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Re: What is 'normal'?

ps. yes, i have an ENORMOUS ego, but i try to do good-hearted caring things too, like give good advice, and i think australian intellectual life needs to improve anyway, and i don't shy away from trying to champion that.  cheers 🙂

 

ps. YOU ARE ALL INVITED TO THE PULITZER PRICE AFTER-PARTY!!!! 🙂

Re: What is 'normal'?

@NikNik

Thanks for starting this discussion. It's an important topic.

As you and others have noted, there are numerous problems with this whole idea of 'pursuing normality'. IMHO, the problems associated with the idea of 'normal' are due to improper use of language. In a nutshell, what people mean when they say "I want to be normal" is "I want to be in a harmonious, synchronized relationship with the community surrounding me."

Very few of us would not be able to sympathize, if not wholeheartedly agree with this ambition. Few people wish to inspire suspicion, hatred or disgust within the world. Few people want to be percieved as aliens within the community; people who are especially avoided, or who are interacted with in an awkward manner that is distinctly differant to the way the rest of the community interacts with each other. We want to feel like we are one of our tribe. We want to understand our neighbors and be understood; not simply in an academic way; the way a person might "understand" a concept once they've read a wikipedia article on it, but on the deep, personal level. When we hear our community speak, we want to think to ourselves, "these people really get it!" and we want our community to feel the same way when we speak.

We want to be appreciated by those around us; we want to be an asset to them, and by the same token, we want those around us to be people we sincerely appreciate, who we considder to be an enrichment to our lives.

This is what, I believe, people mean when they say they "want to be normal". They want to be one of the tribe, and not a foreigner.

The problem is that we are not born into regions that match our core nature. The tribes are scattered and mismatched like bags of jellybeans. Or perhaps more like mechano and lego pieces bundled in to the same kits: the pieces don't fit together properly because they are from differant brands.

To an extent, we may be able to play-act like we are a part of the dominant culture. Even today, this happens a lot with the homosexual community as many of them (often with tragic accuracy) unfortunately assume that they need to do so to be respected by those around them. But in the end, it is just play acting; there are subtleties that we simply can't percieve nor master that bit by bit give the game away and alert those around us that we are not "one of them."I'm not saying that this is a fool's errand, as in liu of having a community of kindred spirits, even taking steps to reduce the amount of animosity we "aliens" might naturally attract can make the situation better then simply doing nothing.

We are who we are and unfortunately, that is not always who the majority of our neighbors or townspeople are. We don't want to be "normal". We want to be with our tribe. But unfortunately there is no known place where the environment/culture reflects the mind of that tribe. Today is not the day that our tribe has a place to call home. And therefore, neither do we.

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Hear, hear!  I might not agree with all you say but I like your passion!

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ps. i'm quite serious about tryng to win the pulitzer but i have to get my books out in time. anyway, catch you all later, or when i'm 'needed'.  cheers and god bless.

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Are you ok?  maybe try lifeline (13 11 14).  yes, i see what you mean about wanting to be 'normal' - that is, wanting to not have mental illness. yes, i would like that too.

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interesting what you say about capitalism.  i have a friend (tall, handsome, web-designer, schizophrenia[!]) who doesn't like rich people and is of the opinion that all people should be paid the same no matter what job they do.  this idea is quite good, as people are usually motivated to do a job (i think) because it's their 'calling' (or it should be). i'm not really sure we want people running anything if they're motivated by money.  denmarks is a good example of this: i'm not sure of all the facts but i do know that denmark has great social parity (the ceo tends to live on the same street as the cleaner, for example - i think this is because top tax rates are very, very high) - and they record the highest levels of life satisfaction (happiness) on the planet in denmark.  their treatment of women is pretty good and their standard of living is good (i think - i should be checking this on the internet as i go along but can't be bothered).  i think they also have an excellent education system which they charge foreigners to attend.  obviously the reward for the ceo comes mostly in 'status', compared to that of the cleaner who lives in a residence of similar size and luxury on the same street.  i know i get 'religious' a lot but the love of money is the origin of all evil.  do we want anyone whose prime motivation is amassing a personal fortune, running anything?  I guess a lot of discussions could arise out of my points here, but i'm also thinking of and remembering the large amount of work done by volunteers in any society.  i seem to get 'dumped on' for my volunteer work more than anything - it seems to make me a 'low status person' but anyone who is motivated to work for free for a good cause - well, those are good and substatial contributions to society.  Please feel free to continue this discussion if you like x

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by the way, i notice that a couple of bloggers here are teachers.  I have a lot of respect for teachers - they are very educated and motivated to help society for not-very-much-money.  good on you, Misses!

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oh what a fabulous topic @niknik !

(i hope @Terry that you didnt hurt your toe on the can!)

 

Normal... i think normal is being able to live your life in a way that suits you with joy and happiness and sadness and anger and all the rest of that stuff along the way but with the ability/skills/strategies to keep moving onwards in an independent way (even if that means leaning on others at times)... maybe. Perhaps normal is something that would take a volume or two to define..

the word normal gets used alot.. as many have said before. My psych says I am normal.. or I am reacting to abnormal events in a very normal way lol but that still doesnt mean im always a part of the norm i guess! 

I do tend to tell my kids that its great to be both the same as others and unique. We need to follow the rules at school, we need to have manners and things like that but its ok to be themselves i.e. they both came shopping with bath towels wrapped around the shoulders last week because they were being superheroes! lol... 

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ha!  i actually broke my toe a while ago (not by kicking a can) but it's nearly healed now.

 

i cannot stress enough that 'normal' does not mean anything. it is a non-clinical description of a person without a mental illness and is just a semantic 'container' for prejudice.  'Normal' people are simply those who have rights, and no mental illnesses.  'Normal' does not mean anything real, important or tangible.

 

that's lovely about your kids.  I wish i had some kids sometimes.  yes, conformity is, to an extent, in any society, compulsory.  however we still do value individuals who break out in a number of ways for the good of mankind - the examples that come to mind quickly are philanthropists, artists and comedians.  the australian mainstream culture is somewhat unpleasantly comformist-orientated on a social level - we have very rigid social roles in australia and it's a bit boring, really.  that's one reason i stay in a lot sometimes - i am completely eccentric and get sick of being a 'hot-house flower' in social situations.

 

i read a while ago that human beings have something in common with all other human beings, something in common with some other human beings and something completely unique to each individual.  interesting.

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Look, everyone - 'Normal' is a town in Illinois!  Let's all move there:

 

http://www.normal.org/

Normal is a town in McLean County, Illinois, United States. As of the 2010 census, the town's population was 52,497.

 

Gosh, I wonder if we'd be allowed to move there?  If we moved there, would we be allowed to call ourselves 'normal citizens'?  I'm going to book my ticket straight away :0